Fluoroderma Success Stories: Real People Cure Their Chronic Acne
My hope in releasing my free e-book to fluoroderma is that the success stories from people who read the book will start rolling in.
If this site helped you find relief from your acne, please let me know! The more success stories we can gather, the easier it will be to end the obsolete practice of public water fluoridation and reduce toxic fluorides in our food supply.
My Fluoroderma Success Story
I will kick it off with pictures of my own fluoroderma success story.
This is what my skin looked like in mid-2008. I was living in south Florida where the water was fluoridated to 1 ppm. At that time, I had no idea what was causing my chronic acne.
Here is a photo from November 2009, almost a full year after the idea first entered my mind that my cystic acne could be caused by fluoride ingestion. This was at the end of my “trial and error” phase when I was learning what foods and beverages I need to avoid to limit my fluoride intake. This was taken just before I moved out of my fluoridated condo.
And here is a photo from March 2011. I even took this picture with the same camera I used for the others—the webcam on my Mac. The mark on the left is a beauty mark I’ve had since I was little. You can also see a few red marks from my latest beef stock reaction (my ongoing experiment to detox fluoride).
Here is another angle of the fluoroderma from 2008.
The same angle from 2009.
And finally, another picture from March 2011. Again, you can make out a few red marks next to my ear from the beef stock experiment. The mark at the top of my cheek is another beauty mark.
Share Your Fluoroderma Success Story in the Comments Below!
Here are a few different ways you can share your fluoroderma story:
1. Leave a comment at the bottom of this post describing how fluoride affects you personally. What convinced you fluoride was the cause of your acne? What fluoride sources are most troublesome for you? How did having acne affect your life? Any details you can provide about your experience could be helpful to other fluoroderma sufferers.
2. Send me an email with your fluoroderma success story. If you are too shy to comment, how about sending me an email that explains your experience with fluoroderma? You can reach me at Analyst (at) CelluliteInvestigation (dot) com.
3. Share photos of your success story. Words can be convincing, but photos are more likely to cause powerful mental images that provoke people to action. If you are willing to share photographic evidence of your fluoroderma victory, I would be honored to post them here on our success stories page! Email them to me at Analyst (at) CelluliteInvestigation (dot) com.
4. Youtube Videos, Twitpics, blog posts, and more. In today’s world of social media, there is an endless number of possibilities for sharing your story with the world. You probably know more of them than I do. Whatever way you can think to get the word out, do it! Be sure to let me know so I can include your story in our collection. Who knows what we can (and will) accomplish together!
**Please note, the first few comments below were moved from other posts on The Cellulite Investigation blog. I’ve been blogging about fluoride and acne for a while now, but I want to start collecting the success stories in one place.
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I’m speechless. It all makes sense now. Your face is my face. The ONLY things that control my acne are a meticulous organic diet, a water filter and yoga. Wine makes my face itch and flare within minutes. I made chicken stock from a pastured organic chicken and I had alot of wine recently and I broke out a bunch and even had one of those awful ones in my ear. I guess I’m going to see which one made it worse by elimination. I can’t believe I’ve never heard of this before. Just one more reason, added to a long list, for my growing mistrust of the medical community.
Yay, Lauren! It makes me so happy to be able to help other people understand what is causing their acne. I’m curious to know the results of your elimination experiment. Chicken that is truly organic should not contain fluoride, but I still have a reaction from some organic chicken (though not nearly as bad as non-organic chicken. That was really painful!).
I’m also curious about the wine. I didn’t drink much wine when I was figuring out which foods to avoid, so I don’t have a good feel for how strong of a reaction it would have caused. Now I drink either organic wine or wine from overseas and it doesn’t seem to cause a problem. From what I’ve read, the fluoride-based pesticide used on grape crops is not as prevalent in other countries as it is here in the States. Please let me know if you are able to figure out any more info on this. Thanks so much!
My dr now, and nearly every dr I can think of that I’ve had, is a frump and an idiot. Is it just me here or do you all go see the dr and find out that you know more about different topics than they do?? When I see the guy bust out google on his little laptop during our discussion, I get mad. I DID that part already! Anyway…I can’t get these guys to take me seriously on this, even though I print this out and bring it, and show them my skin, and tell them which foods make me break out exactly like this. I want to get some special testing or whatever you got medically. How do I get officially tested for Fluoroderma, and officially diagnosed so I have something to prove it? Thank you for the amazing amazing work here. THIS SITE HELPED ME!
It struck me as hilarious when I read the word “frump” in your description. Thanks for that!
My free guide to fluoroderma includes a chapter on diagnosing fluoroderma. Basically, it is extremely difficult to get a doctor here in the U.S. to perform a test that will help diagnose fluoroderma. One CI reader told me her “detox” spa diagnosed her husband’s fluoroderma with a blood test, but that is the only account I’ve heard of it. There is a blood test they’ve used in India where fluoride poisoning is rampant, but from what I’ve read it is very expensive and uncommon in the U.S.
Fortunately, you don’t need to prove to your doc that you have fluoroderma in order to heal it. Still, I understand it would be satisfying to have that kind of approval, or to be able to work with your doctor to heal the condition (imagine that!). I also put together a Fluoroderma Fact Sheet designed for potential fluoroderma sufferers to present to their medical professional. It includes some key facts surrounding fluoride and it’s effect on the skin, each with a reference to a study published in a respected peer-reviewed journal. It will be our job to start educating the healthcare community on this condition. Hopefully, eventually, they will start taking it seriously.
I’m so encouraged by your comment. Makes it worth it to be spending all my free time on this book. I suspect there are many people like us who have fluoroderma and don’t even know it.
Hello! I came across your website from a Google search on how to make home-made kefir. I was completely stunned, and thought that I had to share my story.
I’m 24 – my fiance and I recently came across a report about fluoridated water and its effect on all body systems. (Long story short: It’s poison.) Consequently, we’ve sworn off tap water, fluoridated toothpaste, and anything else that might contain fluoride. (We live in North Central Florida – all tap water is, sadly, fluoridated.)
We only drink SmartWater, for the most part (little to no fluoride by comparison, as it’s vapor-distilled) – and sometimes, we drink Fiji water for a change of pace (which has a negligible amount of natural fluoride, from what we’ve read). I know that this reads like an endorsement, but these are really the only two brands that we’ve been able to find in our area that even address the fluoride question.
Since this change, we’ve both been markedly more alert and my acne has completely disappeared. My husband (who is from Spain, and never experienced these problems before) had begun to get marks on his teeth – which also disappeared a few weeks after we started drinking ‘clean’ water. We later found out that the marks were the beginning of dental fluorosis.
I grew up in Florida in a poor rural area, and I remember getting fluoride treatments as a child and our teachers telling us that the fluoride in the water would strengthen our bones. What is more disturbing is that people still seem to believe this today – we live on a major campus, and any mention of the toxicity of fluoride gets us panned as ‘conspiracy theorists’.
The research is there. It is not a conspiracy. Thank you for maintaining this website!
It makes my day when I hear about another cured case of fluoroderma! Thanks so much for sharing your story, E.
The bottled water issue is tricky. Being in Central Florida, you probably don’t have a Whole Foods nearby. I drink their brand of spring water without any problem. In a pinch a few weeks ago, I had nothing but Poland Spring to drink all day and that was fine, too. I’ve tried other brands without such positive results (Deer Park, for example, even though their online water quality report says fluoride is negligible).
Central Florida has a sad history with fluoride, particularly in Polk County where pollution from a local factory killed off thousands of cattle back in the 1950′s. Thanks for helping to spread the word in your community about the dangers of fluoride. I will continue to do the same!
Wow, this just confirms what I have been suspecting! I moved to a house with fluoridated water about 4 years ago. My acne has been at it’s worse during this time. I noticed it gets better when I use bottled water or travel. It does get much better when I keep the sugar low in my diet, and stick to mainly organic, whole foods. I had never put the two together! I also feel that the fluoride may be affecting my thyroid. I need to get away from it!
Explains a lot, doesn’t it? Thanks for your comment, Melissa! It’s nice to know that my experience with acne can have a positive effect for a change by helping someone else figure out the source of this frustrating problem. The fluoroderma e-book is SO close to being finished now. A few more weeks should be all it takes. I hope you will find it helpful.
I recently realized that fluoroderma was my problem thanks to your site! I eat a pure, plant-based diet (as much organic as possible in my town), exercise regularly, get plenty of sleep, water, etc. and I could NOT figure out why my lymph acne was still flaring so badly. So depressing.
Thanks so much for sharing this information. I went out and bought a bunch of distilled and smart water immediately (I get all of my minerals from food, so no need to worry about distilled).
My question is: How do you go about finding a place to live that is not fluoridated? I have no idea how to do this, as any place I’ve asked seems to have no clue what I’m talking about.
Also, if you cannot avoid fluoridated water systems, is there a recommended filter for showers, sinks AND drinking water? What a hassle! Shame on those responsible for forcing the general public to ingest fluoride…
Thanks for your comment, Mandy! It always makes my day when I hear from someone who has found relief from acne based on the info here. It’s such a frustrating condition, and virtually impossible to hide! How did you figure out that fluoride was causing your outbreaks? Was there any particular food or beverage that gave you problems (besides the water)? Your question about finding a non-fluoridated place to live is a good one. I responded to it in a separate blog post. See How to Find a Non Fluoridated Home.
Shower filters do not remove fluoride. One fluoride expert I talked to recently suggested you could have a plumber install an active alumina filter in the shower plumbing line, but I don’t know much more about that option. For drinking water, a reverse osmosis system will remove 95 percent of fluoride. They can easily be installed under the sink. They waste a lot of water, which is why they’re not recommended for the whole house.
Hi Melissa,
I’m virtually fluoride free, having used a fluoride filter in my home for the last two years. I’m diligent to not take medications that contain fluoride and also use fluoride free toothpaste. I don’t have acne anymore either.
However, people should take notice about the following.
This last summer I went out of town twice. Each time I suffered from strange, severe bone pain in my legs. Both times after returning home the pain stopped within a few days.
The only thing common to both trips was that I drank and cooked with the local city tap water from Mena, Arkansas and St. Petersburg Florida. The pain almost unbearable while in Arkansas, I could not sleep and pain killers didn’t touch it. I was there for 10 days. Only 5 days in Fla and the pain was not as strong, I also drank bottled water. I can only assume the cause was fluoride, because I am at home drinking my filtered water again and the bone pain has not returned.
Thanks for your comment, Kathy! What kind of fluoride filter do you use? Did you have acne before you started avoiding fluoride? It sounds like you could be sensitive to fluoride in other ways, though. It does accumulate in bone tissue and can cause symptoms similar to arthritis. It’s amazing that the onset of symptoms happened so fast! I wonder why your legs are so sensitive to it. Perhaps it has to do with the original source of your fluoride exposure. I was exposed to high levels of fluoride when I was a child and my teeth were forming, so that could explain why it affects the skin around my jaw so much.
I suffered acne my whole life, until I used the filter. I’m in my 50′s now so that is a long term exposure. I use a Berkey filter, they are expensive, comes with carbon filter but also you can get an alumina filter for the fluoride. I paid for mine using American Express through Amazon. Otherwise, The Berkey Guy sells them. The red cross uses them for water filtration, and they get out crypto spores and such too.
I found out that there are several medications that contain fluoride or bromide. Many anesthesia drugs, fluconazole for yeast, prozac, Haldol typically given for periodontal procedures, and quite a few others. Makes me so mad. I was given Haldol with terrible reactions when I had some gum surgery, root canals, etc. grr
http://www.slweb.org/ftrcfluorinatedpharm.html
Not sure about the why, or original exposure, but it was common to get fluoride tablets from the dentist when we were kids. I also avoid fluoride at the dentist which is difficult without them arguing with me about it.
I know Arkansas is famous for brominated waters. They also have naturally occurring fluoride but they started to add more. So it could have been a combination of the two. Have you seen The Fluoride Deception? The crippling effects of fluoride are just outrageous.
Being a new chemistry teacher years ago, I did a lab on the halogens. And it hit me like a ton of bricks, whoa, fluoride is the most reactive element on the periodic table. It kills everything, including us. concentrated it is rat poison. It replaces chlorine in the body, bromine replaces iodine and hey, our thyroid needs that to work and omg its in our water. So I started iodine and boron to help displace the fluoride and bromide in my body. I would get some terrible headaches and some leg pain, causing me to think detox. So then when I did drink the water and the leg pain showed up the light bulbs went off.
I used that lab as a great education tool, for 10yrs I taught students who were getting water certification all about it.
taught new teenage moms not to buy nursery water that contains fluoride.
Bones produce blood cells, I think since the leg bones are large, there is more activity there, and since fluoride displaces calcium its possible it happens there first.
Kathy, this info is fascinating! Fluoride tablets as a child–yep, that would do it. I’m confident that was the root of my condition, too.
So you’ve been using boron to displace fluoride for a while now? What form of boron did you use? How is it working out for you? Did you ever reach a point where you felt like you’re body was getting back to a “normal” level of fluoride accumulation? Sorry for the interrogation, I’m just really curious about other people’s experience with this. There is so little written about boron for fluoride detox.
Good for you with the chemistry lesson! That is so clever!! Someday it will be widely accepted that fluoride is bad for you and all those students will remember their brilliant chemistry teacher who was ahead of her time.
If anyone is in Austin Texas they may want to contact fluoride free Austin dot org or fluoride action network. For the rest of the country, Dr.Mercola also writes a lot about the dangers of fluoride. Yes I take about 3 – 9 mg of either tetraborate or boron chelate both in capsule form. I’ve read of people using 1/4 tsp of regular old borax in a glass of water. Do not take boric acid. That is old time roach killer!
Start slow. Iodine. A drop of lugols in water everyday works too. If you get headaches or large acne cysts with no heads its usually bromine coming out of your system.
Now I also just realized I haven’t answered all of your questions. I’ve been using the water filter for over a year. I added in boron and iodine 6 months ago. What I notice is less joint pain. I was also dx’d with fibromyalgia. As time goes on I have less pain with that also.
One other connection to acne and fibro problems is copper toxicity.
That is a concern to me because many years ago I worked in the greenhouse industry and we treated all of out water with copper compound because they are anti algal anti fungal copper is naturally antibacterial. I have a copper kitchen sink and of course most water pipes are made of copper.
It is a necessary element for collagen production but there needs to be the correct balance between it and zinc. I also started supplementing with zinc. 50 mg for about 6 weeks That cleared those pesky little pimples right up!
Interesting to read about.
Fascinating stuff, Kathy. I’m still using prunes to detox fluoride since they contain a significant amount of boron. See The Best Fruit to Detox Fluoride. I’ve been able to work my way up to a few prunes a day. I definitely notice a reaction in my skin if I eat too many at one time. Studies show that prunes may be an effective prevention for osteoporosis.
I haven’t tried Lugol’s yet. I had such a strong reaction to the last iodine supplement I took, I’m hesitant to try another one. I’m wondering if the boron in prunes would be enough to detox fluoride completely? Any thoughts?
I’m still not positive that flouride is my main problem. My acne has cleared by doing a variety of things, mostly GAPS diet and supplementing with probiotic and Green Pastures Fermented Cod Live Oil/Butter Oil Blend and of course, avoiding flouride and dry brushing and consuming a lot of bone broth and kombucha. I think I am acne prone and may have several triggers. The most important thing for me is the FCLO, and I know vitamin A deficiency can cause acne. Or is it possible that FCLO somehow helps the body detox from flouride? I did have a break out on my chin and ears down my neck the other day that I THINK is from a conventional chicken I ate, which would have had flouride. But I also started a liver cleanse supplement around the same time, so it could have been detox related to that or the glass of raw milk I drank (I don’t usually drink milk) or some Halloween candy I had (sugar can be a trigger and I don’t usually eat any). I also broke out (only 1 cystic pimple) from drinking some conventional tea the other day…so that would point to flouride for sure.
So for me, there are just so many factors that I can’t exactly figure out what is going on. I do have some sort of issue with my legs for sure. When I do a lot of broth and kombucha and the liver cleansing supplement (milk thistle mostly) my legs get really itchy and break out in hives. I think this is my body detoxing something and my best guess is flouride. I still have a lot of cellulite on my legs and I was given flouride pills as a child. I have been drinking beet kvass and doing castor oil packs over my liver to help with the hives.
Fluoroderma can be really difficult to pinpoint in the beginning, especially when you’re still dealing with hidden sources of fluoride that you’re not aware of. I know bone broth is a cornerstone of the WAPF diet and I hate to discourage such an important food, but are you certain the bones you are using for the broth are fluoride free? I had to temporarily stop drinking bone broth because I was not able to figure out if the reaction I was experiencing was a detox reaction or a reaction from fluoride in the bones directly. Just something to ponder as you continue your healing journey.
I get small bumps on my legs when I’m heavily detoxing, too. Please keep us updated on your experience, Bethany! Thanks for sharing!
Yes, I am near positive the bones are flouride free. I am very acquainted with my farmer and know what their animals are eating.
I thought I was safe with bones from pastured farmers, but then a question came up about phosphate fertilizers. These are naturally mined fertilizers and aren’t against organic standards as far as I know. They are also high in fluoride and could cause fluoride to accumulate in the animal’s bones if they’re used on the grass the animal eats. I want to research this topic further but haven’t had a chance yet. If you happen to think of it the next time you see your local farmer, can you ask him if it’s common to use phosphate fertilizers on cow pastures? Thank you, Bethany!
i find this very interesting as i was doing a search for something entirely dif. i am diligently working on causes and cures of acne! currently trying blue light and lasers.
I am excited to explore this flouroderma hypothesis further and would like to add a few things you may be interested in. Iodine is strongly linked to acne so some were mentioning adding it and another was mentioning kombucha (hi iodide) and both of those according to some CAUSE/TRIGGER acne. Also milk as cows lick saltlicks of iodized salt! so it may not be the dairy per se but the salt, and it may not be greasy foods but the salt that almost always accompanies..Just something to keep in mind. I too have researched a strong good correlation between zinc and helping decrease acne. It’s a special form of zinc that starts with m- like, zinc m_______. I use a reverse osmosis water filter so no flouride and no polluting with plastic and/or drinking from terrible plastic.
Thanks again for sharing and hope my contributions may help some.
Thanks for sharing this info, Tracey! Iodine has been a hot topic here at The Cellulite Investigation (see http://www.celluliteinvestigation.com/category/hormonal-balance-2/iodine). I believe the reason iodine causes acne is because it displaces fluoride from the body. Iodine and fluoride have a very similar chemical structure. I don’t eat iodized salt, but I get a fluoroderma flare up if I eat foods that are naturally high in iodine, such as fish roe. I did an iodine loading test last year and the pill caused by face to break out for two weeks.
You can read more about my theories on that in my free ebook on fluoroderma. I installed a reverse osmosis filter for drinking water when I lived in a fluoridated house. They remove 95 percent of fluoride, but my skin never cleared completely until I moved to a nonfluoridated home. I don’t know if it was because of that last 5 percent or because my body just needed the extra time to heal. I even tried to limit my shower exposure by bathing in filtered water (bucket style!).
Please let us know how it goes with your experiments on the fluoride hypothesis!
I’m glad I stumbled upon this site. I’m 36 and acne has plagued me my entire life. After reading this site a few weeks ago, I think I’ve finally solved my problem with acne.
I had a moderately severe case of acne when I was a kid. I was on accutane and many other medications/topical creams but nothing seems to do the trick. The only time I can remember where my face was totally clear was when I entered the military and spent time in South Carolina for 9 weeks. My face was crystal clear.
Then I moved to Hawaii. Within a few days, I had tons of breakouts. I remember even going to the military doctor and crying because I didn’t want to go to work due to a bad outbreak I was having. It was really that bad.
I thought that these breakouts were due to stress (although there wasn’t much stress), putting camouflage paint on my face, dirt, hot weather and anything else that I could think of. It was never solved. My social life suffered. I never wanted to look at anyone in the face. Simply put, this WAS my only stress.
That time in Hawaii seemed to be my worst. After I left the military, the acne would cycle frequently but at any given time I was always able to see more than one pimple at any given time. When I turned 30, I developed rosacea and had this weird thing where some of the hairs on my face would grow in the shape of a spring or curly-Q french fry. It was the strangest thing. Then some of the hairs would get embedded and just stay inside my skin. Other hairs would grow a little bit but then the root would disappear and then the hair would become an infection. I went to the dermatologist and yup, they couldn’t figure it out either. Now that I’m 36, most of the hair on my face will not grow anymore. Again, the dermatologist really couldn’t answer the question.
I know a lot of people get rosacea after 30 so I chalked that up as being “normal.” The hair issue was a little different and I just figured there was something I was eating or stressful that was going on in my life. Maybe, maybe not…..but I was going through a divorce during that time. I exercise regularly, eat very well, don’t smoke and I don’t drink that often.
Anyhow, here I am today (or just a few weeks ago) and things are changing. I don’t really get the typical teenage pimples anymore but I get these very hard and painful cysts. I checked my town’s water supply and there isn’t any fluoride so taking showers or drinking the water cannot be causing the acne. After reading about milk I decided to change that first. I went from Lactaid to almond milk. I know that if I drink 1/2 gallon of regular milk (I’ve done this before) in a day, by the next morning my face will look horrible. Changing to the almond milk definitely helped but the acne wouldn’t go away completely.
I eat a TON of chicken. I could eat it everyday for lunch and dinner. I love the stuff. I usually eat chicken lunch meat for lunch and I usually cook a large chicken for dinner for the week. After reading about the fluoride in processed chicken, I decided to give that a whirl and ate turkey instead. Besides the fluoride issue, I went to Youtube and watched videos on how they make the chicken. I wanted to vomit and will never eat mechanically deboned chicken again. It looks horrible. Anyhow, after I stopped eating the chicken lunch meat, it was amazing. The change was drastic and I really couldn’t believe it. The cystic acne I had would take weeks to heal and overnight they were healing already. I haven’t had any new breakouts in two weeks. I really can’t believe it.
I’ve tried every Clearasil product imaginable, tons of prescribed and OTC medication, Proactiv, etc….. You name it, I’ve tried it and nothing worked. I really can’t believe that fluoride is the cause of my acne. I’m still a bit skeptical but the “proof is in the pudding” so to speak. I will wait a few more weeks before I call it a true success.
I should also mention that I used to drink Special K protein shakes. The same day I read this website, I called Kellogg’s and asked if fluoride was in the water where they make the shakes. They confirmed to me that it is and so I stopped drinking them too. After a few more weeks, if I have no new breakouts, I’ll introduce them slowly and see if there are any issues.
So, thanks for posting all of this information. I’m a little premature with calling it a success but for now, my acne seems to be gone and I’m grateful for that. I’ll come back with an update in a few weeks to let anyone know who is interested.
John, this is so exciting. Thanks for sharing! Nothing makes my day more than hearing from something who is finding relief from their cystic acne due in part to info they read here on the site.
Experimenting with chicken is a great way to figure out if fluoride is the cause of your problem or not. It is the single food that caused the most severe breakouts for me. Turkey also contains fluoride, but the bones are stronger so they are not as likely to end up in mechanically de-boned meat products. If you still have lingering issues, you might want to cut out turkey for a couple weeks and see if that helps.
Smart move to call Kellogg’s! That’s really the only way to determine the fluoride content of a lot of foods. Yep, once you get your skin under control you should be able to experiment to see exactly which foods cause the reaction.
Please keep us posted on your experience. Thanks again for sharing!
I’m still eating chicken where I cook the whole chicken but not the lunch meat. Are you saying all chicken was a problem or was the chicken lunch meat the only issue for you? I certainly understand the lunch meat but if you were having problems with the whole chicken, what was the cause of the flare ups specifically?
Regarding the turkey, I chose that because it wasn’t listed as one of the meats that have fluoride in them. Oh well, I guess I may need to change that too but so far so good.
I was really surprised how good the almond milk was compared to Lactaid; they’re very similar. I was reading more on the lymphatic system and I read how diary products can clog it. I was doing so much damage when I thought I was doing good things! (eating cereal with skim milk) The problem was, I normally eat two huge bowls of cereal for breakfast and then sometimes another one for a snack close to bed time. I guess that put my lymphatic system into overdrive and when it couldn’t deal with all of the dairy, it showed up on my face.
I’m currently on Minocycline. Tomorrow I’m going to stop taking that too and see if my acne comes back. I’m interested to see the results on that as well.
Anyhow, keep up the great work!
p.s. No cellulite here so I’m unable to help you with that
Hi, John. Great to hear from you again.
Fluoride accumulates in the bones, skin, and fat of chickens and turkeys when they eat feed laden with fluoride-based pesticides. Most grocery-store poultry is exceedingly high in fluoride. If you’re lucky enough to have access to organic, free range poultry (like Eberly’s) then I highly recommend stocking up. I have one cooking in my crock pot right now!
All mechanically de-boned chicken products are high in fluoride because small pieces of bone end up in the finished product. Chicken products contain more fluoride than turkey, but I still had a reaction from free range (non-organic) turkey soup. I’m fine eating breast meat of non-organic poultry, but I avoid ground meat (usually it’s mechanically de-boned), soups, skin, and other fatty parts.
Interesting observations about the milk. I don’t drink grocery store milk either. I’ll drink fresh milk from organic, pastured cows when I can get it, but it’s a completely different food than the industrialized milk that is highly processed and hard on the lymphatic system. I recommend realmilk.com if you’re interested in reading more about that.
Is it possible the culprit could have been the cereal rather than the milk? If it’s made with fluoridated water, cereal is one of the foods that is highest in fluoride. (I include references for all of this in my free e-book on fluoroderma if you’re interested).
Hi again,
I’m still eating the same amount and kind of cereal but with almond milk. Since I made the switch a couple of weeks ago, I haven’t had one breakout since. My face hasn’t been this clear since before puberty. Also, my eczema is gone and I’m no longer taking acne/rosacea medication.
One question that I have not been able to find an answer to is, how much fluoride is in chicken lunch meat? That answer seems to be non-existent on the internet. Any ideas?
You’ll find this info in my one-page Fluoroderma Fact Sheet (pdf). It varies depending on the diet of the chicken, but there are a few studies on this. The numbers I’ve seen range from 6-8.5ppm, compared to water which is considered “optimally” fluoridated at about 1ppm. Do you have access to scholarly journals? This article from the Journal of Agriculture and Food Chemistry is a good one: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf0106300
I thought of you when I read this comment from Sonya yesterday. She wrote about her experience with dairy and fluoride, too. Interesting…
Awesome! I’ve scoured the internet for hours and the information I’ve been looking for was right here all along! I considered ordering a fluoride tester but the cheap ones don’t seem too reliable and I don’t think they test food. One question – the amount of fluoride is given in ppm. Is this per 100 grams?
You can also add another success story to your list. My son has ADHD and I’ve been giving him fluoride pills as prescribed by the doctor. We kept going up and up in his ADHD medication to the maximum amount and it really didn’t do much for his symptoms.
I removed as many fluoride sources as possible, including the fluoride pill, and now he is on half of the amount of medication and all of his ADHD symptoms have decreased significantly. The psychiatrist was dumbfounded but he wouldn’t disregard the results because he saw a much different child when my son was in his office. My son is much more verbal, loving, attentive and his teacher says that he is alert and on top of things at school now. The only thing I’ve done is remove fluoride from his diet.
I’m working on putting together a spread sheet of all the foods he has been eating. He’s eight and the maximum recommended dose of fluoride is 2.5mg per day. I took a quick glance at the food and I’m guessing he was getting at least 3.5mg of fluoride per day. The problem I’m having is, some companies won’t tell you if the product has fluoride in it (I doubt some of the people who answer the phone even know). There was one company that was nice and gave me a yes or no answer.
Here’s something funny. One company I called said they couldn’t tell me the amount of fluoride in their product (cereal) because it’s proprietary information (I laughed when she said that to me). I tried to explain to the woman on the phone that her company doesn’t put fluoride in the cereal to enhance the taste, quality or texture. I told her it’s a byproduct of the water they use, if they have fluorided water. She insisted this was proprietary information and could not tell me. I doubt she even knows how much fluoride is in the cereal…..
Oh my goodness. You’re comment had my laughing AND crying. SO funny about the phone call to the cereal company. I can just imagine the type of person that answered the phone. Usually people are pretty understanding if I tell them I have a fluoride “allergy” and I would like to be able to consume their product (a little flattery never hurts) but didn’t want to risk a reaction. If you really want to know the fluoride content of the product, you could ask them where the manufacturing plant is located and then call the local water utility company and ask for the fluoride content of the water. They are obligated by law to provide this information in their annual water quality report, many of which are available online.
I found the full journal article online somewhere for free, but I can’t remember where. It was probably either through my local library (some of them have subscription services) or my college library (they provide alumni access to certain databases). That article is where I learned that mechanically deboned turkey doesn’t contain as much fluoride as chicken products because the bones are stronger, not necessarily because they contain less fluoride.
The ppm measurement can be confusing. Generally, it’s the same as 1 mg/liter for a liquid or 1 mg/kg if it’s a solid. Of course, you need to take the actual serving size into account when calculating how much fluoride is consumed in a certain product. I hope that makes sense.
The story about your son… wow. That is the part that triggered the water works. How wonderful! It’s also wonderful that your doc is not disregarding the results. We need more doctors to start taking natural treatment like this seriously.
Conditions like ADHD are rooted in the digestive system. I was trying to find a link for you to studies done by A.K. Susheela, a famous fluoride researcher in India where fluoride toxicity is rampant. She used microscopic photography to show how the stomach reacts to fluoride. It was really interesting. We know the first indicator of acute fluoride poisoning is gastric distress. Chronic fluoride poisoning upsets the digestive system in more insidious ways.
There’s a book that I recommend to anyone dealing with ADHD-type conditions. It’s called Gut and Psychology Syndrome by Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride. It is a brilliant book. I can’t recommend it enough.
In case you haven’t seen this yet, here is the link to our Pocket Guide to Fluoride Sources (pdf). It might come in handy. Let me know if you discover anything to add. I found one that I haven’t added yet: keyboard spray cleaners. They’re dangerous stuff.
Good luck and please keep us updated!
Great information. I have so many more questions. I would like to find a doctor or nutritionist who understand fluoride and can help me out. Here is a quick one maybe you can answer regarding the chicken.
As I said, I ate tons of chicken lunch meat. I would eat about 2 pounds (.907 kg) of chicken lunch meat per week. If the rate is 8ppm, that means I would be getting about .875mg of fluoride per sandwich? Does that sound about right?
Here are two more things that have changed in my kids’ lives, which could be attributed to fluoride. Not sure if I’ll ever know.
My kids used to live in a highly fluorided state. Now they live in one of the lowest fluorided state and my town does not have fluoride in the water. At their previous home, my daughter would have constant stomach problems and all of the tests the gastroenterologist would run, they all came back normal. Nothing was ever found. My son was diagnosed with an irregular heartbeat. Both are well documented in their medical records. Since they now live in a different state and in a town without fluorided water, both of those issues are non-existent. Coincidence?
Amazing! Many children are very sensitive to fluoride. I would not be surprised if these conditions were caused by the fluoride. When I was little, my dentist put me on fluoride pills. No one tied it to the chronic nose bleeds that ensued. They didn’t even tell my parents it’s what caused my teeth to be discolored. They asked my pediatrician about it and he said he didn’t know.
Uh oh, you want me to break out the math? You asked for it. I cannot be responsible for the numbers to follow.
Let’s see. 8ppm is .8mg per 100 grams. If you consume 907 grams of chicken per week, that’s 7.256 mg of fluoride per week. Right? Assuming you eat one chicken sandwich per day, that’s 1.036mg of fluoride per sandwich. That could be completely wrong, so please double check my math. Unfortunately I couldn’t find a chicken sandwich fluoride calculator on the Internet.
I learn a lot from these discussions, so feel free to shoot over any additional fluoride questions/comments you have. It would be great to get another thread going about this in our new discussion forum. It takes a minute to register the first time you comment, but it’s a great venue for these conversations. We could add a new topic here: http://www.celluliteinvestigation.com/forum/food
I forgot to mention. I did try to look at that article a few days ago but it’s $35 to view it! That price is a little steep for me.